"Maybe this Cinder did me a bad turn once."

So I've been listening to the Page of the Wind podcast, and just heard from the Cthaeh in Wise Man's Page (which ran a couple years ago). Slow Regard is their current pod, where we just heard about Fulcrum, and while making her soap, Auri just righted the world by turning Fulcrum 'widdershins', the breaking way, against the turning of the sun

Auri turned the gear the breaking way, and opposite to that, she set her world right again

Consider: Cthaeh says, "Maybe this Cinder did me a bad turn once."

To do a bad turn... Well now -- that's a phrase that may bear magical significance

Did Cinder do something to invoke the 'breaking way' against Cthaeh? Did he perhaps perform some ritual three times while walking Widdershins around the Cthaeh tree?

If Cinder DID invoke the breaking way against Cthaeh, then, like Auri, did he set something else to rights? Is Cinder the good guy?

"In fact, they are quite nice to us."